Does Every Scene Need a Goal?

by Jami Gold on May 8, 2012

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I love when I make my readers think.  Even better is when they turn around and make me think even deeper about an issue.  *smile*

Yesterday, K.J. Pugh blogged about my last post (where I talked about cliffhangers and hooks) and brought up the issue of sequels I briefly mentioned.  No, we’re not talking about book sequels, but about scenes and sequels.

In that post, I linked to two articles by author Janice Hardy that explained more about scenes and sequels.  As Janice explains:

“Basic scene structure goes something like this:

Protag has a goal. They’ll act in way to achieve that goal throughout the scene. They’ll either get the goal, don’t get the goal, get the goal but there’s a catch, not get the goal and make things worse. Scene ends, because the goal has been resolved in some way.

Then the protag reacts. They’ll have an emotional reaction, think about what they just went through, and then try to figure out what to do next. This is the sequel.”

Janice goes on to point out that sequels can be anywhere from a single line to several pages long.  But one other thing Janice mentioned in that article struck K.J. as interesting:

“Sequels have no goals to move the story forward.”

This idea of the protagonist not having a goal can throw us for a loop.  Doesn’t that go against so much other advice we’ve heard about ensuring our protagonist is proactive and not passive, making sure our story is moving forward, maintaining the tension, etc.?

The Differences between Scenes and Sequels

The idea of scenes and sequels came from Dwight Swain in his book, Techniques of the Selling Writer.  The differentiation he makes between them is not the same as how we usually think of scenes.  In his book, he says:

Scenes are made up of:

  • Goal: What the protagonist wants at the beginning of the scene.  This is where all that good proactive stuff for our characters come in.
  • Conflict: The obstacles standing in the way.
  • Disaster: What happens that prevents the protagonist from reaching their goal.

Sequels are made up of:

  • Reaction: How the character reacts to the Disaster.
  • Dilemma: The choice the character faces because of the Disaster.
  • Decision: What the character decides to do next.

That last point is key: What the character decides to do next.  That is, the Decision becomes their new Goal for the next scene.

If we understand the point of sequels, it suddenly makes a lot more sense why many sequels are only going to be a sentence or two.  Sequels are where the character adapts to the previous action, revelation, problem, etc. and decides on a new goal.  In that regard, every scene has a sequel, even if it’s just the character deciding to try the same thing again.

“Traditional” Scenes vs. “Scene and Sequel” Scenes

We usually think of a scene as events that occur in a specific place and/or time.  When the story jumps ahead a day or switches to a different location, boom, we have a new scene.  That’s how screenplays think of them too.

But Dwight’s viewpoint defines a scene more narrowly.  This isn’t good or bad.  I’m just pointing it out so we’re all speaking the same language.  Dwight’s view of a scene centers around a character’s goal.

What I find interesting about this perspective is that a traditional scene can thus contain several of Dwight’s scenes.  Character tries A (Goal), but it makes things worse (Conflict/Disaster).  Crap (Sequel).  Character tries B (new Goal), etc.

Anyone who has studied Dwight Swain’s Motivation-Reaction Units (MRUs) might be able to see where I’m going next with this.  MRUs are this same idea on a smaller scale.  Something happens (Motivation for…) which causes something else (Reaction).

Everything Comes Down to Cause and Effect

At their essence, stories are one big cause and effect chain.  A leads to B, which leads to C, etc.

We can see this on the micro sentence level with MRUs:

A shot rang out. (A leads to…)  Susie jumped (B leads to…) and knocked the platter of filet mignon off the table. (C leads to…)  Rover scarfed up their dinner before it hit the floor.

We can also see this on the macro scene level with Dwight’s definitions of scenes and sequels:

Susie wants to impress the handsome stranger by cooking a big dinner for him. (Goal A leads to…)  But her good-for-nothing brother had downed the nice wine she’d picked up and gotten himself rip-roaring drunk.  So drunk that he decided to start target practice outside the dining room window after she kicked him out of the house. (Conflict B leads to…)  After dealing with his antics all day, she was jumpier than usual, and Rover had an excellent dinner. (Disaster C leads to…)  Crap. (Reaction D leads to…)  Well, she couldn’t let the handsome stranger starve. (Dilemma E leads to…)  Hopefully, she could convince him to forgive her for serving a delivery pizza instead. (Decision F/new Goal)

Does it really matter with any of the above whether we call it goals, reactions, decisions, etc.?  Not really.  Just like with the small scale view of MRUs, everything is a  motivation (cause) for what comes after it, and everything is a reaction (effect) to what came before it.

One giant cause-effect chain links events from the beginning to the end of a story.  What matters most from a reader-who’s-unable-to-stop-turning-pages-even-at-2-a.m. perspective is that it all flows.

Why Sequels Cause Problems for Writers

The problems with sequels—those sections where the protagonist is adapting from a failed goal to a new goal—often come down to an issue of flow, and how they don’t link well to what comes before or after:

  • Sometimes we have a too-long sequel during an inappropriate time.

Does the character have time to ponder and weigh pros and cons right then?  If not, then a long sequel is ignoring the effects of the Disaster that came before it and how the character needs to decide now.

  • Sometimes a sequel wanders or doesn’t seem to have a point.

Does the character reach a Decision, a new Goal?  If not, then the sequel is breaking the chain of cause and effect.

  • Sometimes a sequel loses the tension in a story.

Does the character worry about the consequences of the Disaster?  If not, then the sequel isn’t linking to past and future story events by making sure readers are up to speed on the stakes, the consequences of failure, and potential future issues (foreshadowing).

Tips for Making Sequels Work

So let me share a few tips on making the most of sequels:

  1. When you’re writing, don’t worry about if a section is a scene or sequel.  Think cause and effect, sentence-by-sentence, action to reaction, scene to scene, and you’ll never go wrong.
  2. Don’t worry about sequels being passive unless the flow isn’t working.  The protagonist does have a goal in a sequel: Come up with a new plan.  *grin*
  3. Just as with every other aspect of our writing, write tight.  The sequel should be only as long as needed for the character to explore the consequences of the Disaster and reach a new Goal.  That exploration can include all those foreshadowing, mood-enhancing, character development nuggets, however.
  4. Make the sequel feel “immediate” by weaving in external actions.  Remember the two-paragraph guideline? (I blogged about the how and the what of the guideline as well.)  Avoid sequels with several paragraphs all in the character’s head.  If the story has time for a long sequel, then it has time for the character to do something while they’re thinking and debating.
  5. For those few instances of standalone sequels (these still follow a scene, but are separated in time and/or space, and thus have a blank line before them), use cliffhangers/hooks the same way we would at the end of any other scene.  The nature of a sequel (internal thoughts and decisions) often leads to an Emotional Journey hook, but other types might fit as well.

To answer the question in this post’s title, yes, I think every scene (and sequel) needs a goal—in that the characters always need to be progressing toward something.  Stories are about change.  And if a scene (or sequel) is static, that’s when the pacing feels slow and the story seems dead.

However, as I pointed out in number 2 above, sometimes that forward progress might be as simple as a character knowing they need to come up with a new plan.  They’re still striving toward something even as they’re reacting to what came before.  And that struggle is what creates tension, keeps the story moving, and makes readers interested.

Have you studied Dwight’s scene and sequel or MRU concepts before?  Do you agree they’re the same cause-and-effect idea on different scales?  Do you think in terms of scene and sequel or in terms of cause and effect or something else?  Do you struggle with sequels?  Do you have any other tips to share on how to make sequels work?

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Raelyn Barclay May 8, 2012 at 9:43 am

Fabulous post! You’ve given me a lot to think about and I’ll have to let it percolate a bit more 🙂

I haven’t studied Dwight, though it’s on the things-to-do list, but of course have read about scenes and sequels. MRU sound fascinating so perhaps I need to push ol’ Dwight toward the front of the line. When I’m drafting, I’m definitely more focused on cause and effect than scenes or chapters or any of the normal breaks in fiction.

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Jami Gold May 8, 2012 at 10:26 am

Hi Raelyn,

LOL! Yeah, I don’t blame you. Somehow that ended up being one of my longest ever blog posts, but I couldn’t figure out a good way to break it in two. 🙂

Tiffany Lawson Inman (Margie Lawson’s daughter) talks about “speed bumps,” places where the MRU isn’t flowing well. And that’s so true. When I know something isn’t flowing quite right, I look at the last line where things work and then work through the cause and effect for the following lines. (“Okay, so this line causes what? And this line is a reaction to what?”) Usually, I’ll find a missing reaction or a gap in the cause-effect chain, where I’m missing a step. Thanks for the comment!

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Melissa Borg May 8, 2012 at 12:03 pm

I have studied neither MRU or Dwight but what I do know is that within each well crafted scene there is a conflict and a main goal, which includes the character coming to a conclusion. Then the character must to pick a new goal or recommit and lather, rinse, repeat. To really irriate the character, up the stakes either to challenge their goal or come at them sideways with an event or idea about a goal they thought was done in the next scene.
I will admit when I read the words, “Sequels have no goals to move the story forward” I freaked just a little. I have read too many pieces where people believe that and the story feel flat. But I am glad I read on to his definition. Great food for thought.

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Jami Gold May 8, 2012 at 12:23 pm

Hi Melissa!

Great to see you here. 🙂 Yes, that line freaked me a little too. But I think it comes down to the fact that both scenes and sequels have goals, and it’s just that scenes have more external goals (get A, interact with B, etc.) and sequels have more internal goals (figure out what to do now).

That’s why I don’t really pay attention to this scene/sequel stuff when I’m writing. As long as we have reactions to actions and those reactions cause more reactions (rather than stalling), I think we’re all good. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!

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Chihuahua0 May 8, 2012 at 2:20 pm

Personally, I think a sequel doesn’t work when it dips into inner monologue mode too many times.

“Stop thinking about your love interest! You already said that!” (My thoughts when reading a popular dystopian romance).

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Jami Gold May 8, 2012 at 3:46 pm

Hi Chihuahua0,

LOL! Absolutely. 🙂 The rules for good writing still apply to sequels. I.e., they’re not an excuse for endless ruminating, repetitiveness, backstory info dumping, etc. If it would stop the story dead in a scene, it’ll do the same in a sequel. Thanks for the comment!

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Melinda Collins May 8, 2012 at 4:05 pm

Another great post, Jami!

When I hit the section of Scene & Sequel I had to giggle. I actually have a 2-part post scheduled for next week (and the following week) on Scene & Sequel and MRU’s. Mainly because I had a major A-Ha! moment in one of Margie’s classes. 😉

I agree with you 100%. Every scene needs some kind of goal. Either the next step in the plot (big picture) or the character(s) trying to figure out their next move after a big set back. There’s more options, I know, but when it comes down to it, even with a character pondering, it’s still a goal. 🙂

Thanks again for another great post!

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Jami Gold May 8, 2012 at 4:13 pm

Hi Melinda,

Ooo, I look forward to hearing your A-Ha! moment. 🙂

Yes, the main reason I wanted to do this post is because many people (not just K.J.) probably work themselves into a fit by overthinking this issue. They want to analyze if something is a scene or a sequel and check to make sure they have the right parts. They worry to distraction in other words. And that’s no way to draft a story.

I’m all for having the understanding of this, but I don’t want anyone to be paralyzed by overthinking it. As I said in the post, it doesn’t matter if we know the right words to call things. I think the important thing is making sure we have the cause-and-effect chain unbroken–and if something still doesn’t feel right, then we drill down into these definitions and ingredients to see if we can figure out why. The vast majority of the time, if we’re thinking about actions and reactions, we don’t need to do the analysis because the scene and/or sequel is already working. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!

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Serena May 8, 2012 at 5:02 pm

In general I agree that every scene needs a goal, or else we’d be bored. But I’ve seen an exception. “Blue Castle” by L.M. Montgomery (author of “Anne of Green Gables”) had a long part lasting several chapters with basically no action, no goals, where everything is just about happiness, freedom, and the state of paradise in general. I found, surprisingly, that I was not at all bored and I couldn’t stop turning the pages. In fact, I so loved reading that long part of several chapters because I got to enjoy the characters’ bliss with them. I like scenes/ episodes/ chapters that make me happy. This (long) section of pure happiness with no tension, no conflict, and no goal was actually my favorite part in the story.

So what happened there? Or am I just an eccentric reader?

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Jami Gold May 8, 2012 at 8:54 pm

Hi Serena,

Interesting! I haven’t read that book, so I can’t share my analysis of what made it work. I might have to add it to my TBR pile though, just for curiosity’s sake. 🙂

I’ve seen some stories that make something like that work at the end of the book for a resolution or epilogue. And I’ve seen others where things are good on the surface, but the reader knows more is going on, so there’s dread building as the reader waits for the other shoe to drop. But I don’t think that’s what you’re talking about here.

If anyone else has read this story and has thoughts, I hope they chime in. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!

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K.J. May 8, 2012 at 6:44 pm

Thank you for the clarification! Looking at scenes and sequels as all cause and effect makes so much more sense. Now I don’t have to over-think everything, haha. And your tips for making sequels work are wonderful. 😀

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Jami Gold May 8, 2012 at 8:55 pm

Hi K.J.

Happy to help! Getting stuck in the overthinking loop is never good. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!

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Ruchita May 8, 2012 at 7:18 pm

Hi Jami, quite the best post I’ve read on sequels. I worry a lot about them as they make the story stagnant. But you have given the idea how to add drive to them.
If I could ask you a question, how does the protagonist translate in your point of view in romance novels. Usually the story proceeds from pov of hero and heroine so do you think in romance there are two protagonists or the one who has more goals involved? Thanks for a great post and would love to hear you on this.

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Jami Gold May 8, 2012 at 9:19 pm

Hi Ruchita,

Aww, thanks!

As for your question, in the romance genre, the hero and heroine often each have their own emotional arcs and goals. In that case, when they’re both driving the story forward, I would say they’re both protagonists. Other romances (even dual-POV ones) sometimes have one member of the couple more active while the other acts more as a catalyst for plot events. In that case, I would consider the more active member–the one chasing the goals–to be the protagonist. Or for romances that fall somewhere in the middle, maybe there’s a main protagonist and a secondary protagonist. 🙂

I wouldn’t worry about the differentiation too much. I would simply recommend that if the other member of the couple is important enough to get a similar amount of POV “screen time,” make sure their arc warrants that amount of attention. 🙂 Does that make sense? Thanks for the comment!

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Ruchita May 8, 2012 at 9:35 pm

Thanks a lot for clarifying this, Jami.I quite follow what you said about screen time being proportionate to the importance of arc because this was actually what was bothering me. Glad to have a handle on this now.
Another question if I may, does the end of scene or sequel have to be shown as a chapter ending or pause? Can a sequel, especially occur like, even in the middle of conversation. I guess what I’m saying is does the reader have to be shown the differentiation or is it okay to have it in your head? IYKWIM 🙂

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Jami Gold May 8, 2012 at 10:41 pm

Hi Ruchita,

Ooo, great question! As I mentioned in the post, there can be several of these scene/sequel pairs in a traditional (single time/place) scene. So, no, sequels don’t have to be followed by a line break or chapter break or anything.

In fact, I think the reader shouldn’t recognize the difference between them. That’s partly what I mean by flow. From a reader’s perspective, everything should just flow and blend in a logical order. There’s no reason for them to recognize “oh, here’s where they figure out their next plan.” 🙂

So yes, I think sequels could happen in the middle of something else. The protagonist could be talking, see their approach isn’t working, and change strategies. I hope that helps. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!

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Ruchita May 8, 2012 at 11:06 pm

BIG thanks for this one, Jami. I was worried a bit because applying the scene-sequel sequence to my WIP I could see it all blended in one scene in so many places. But as you pointed out even a line sometimes can work as a sequel. Really thought-provoking and I’m going to reread it again at a later date to brush it up in my mind. Good luck for your WIP. Have a great week. 🙂

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Jami Gold May 8, 2012 at 11:23 pm

No problem, Ruchita. 🙂 I’m glad I could help set your mind at ease.

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Gene Lempp May 9, 2012 at 6:54 am

I’ve read Swain’s systems and a ton of others based on it – really, I think it’s the best one out there. However, I’ve always felt that finding a new goal is itself a goal. Additionally, as Jack M. Bickham points out (Scene & Structure), the sequel advances the story by showing us the inner workings of the character as they struggle through their failures in search of success. This also is a goal.

I think the point of contention may be that the nature of the goals is different between a scene (character seeks to accomplish something bringing them closer to their ultimate goal; external) and the sequel (character seeks digs into their strengths and battles their weaknesses to find new avenues to the success they desire; internal).

Great post, Jami 🙂

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Jami Gold May 9, 2012 at 12:37 pm

Hi Gene,

Exactly! Yes, as I mentioned in my post, I think sequels do have a goal, just as you explained. And I think in another comment above, I mentioned that it might be more of an external vs. internal goal, which I think is similar to what you’re saying about the nature of the goal. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!

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Sonia Lal May 9, 2012 at 6:12 pm

Just realized the Friday flash I wrote last week could be called a sequel for the Friday flash for the week before that.

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Jami Gold May 9, 2012 at 8:51 pm

Hi Sonia,

Oh cool! Yes, if we’re writing with a nice flow of cause and effect, we don’t have to pay attention to the scene/sequel stuff. I write them without being aware of them too. 🙂 But if we’re having problems, it’s helpful to know how they work. Thanks for the comment!

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Jessica Schley May 9, 2012 at 9:40 pm

This was wonderful, Jami. I think you did a better job at explaining these concepts than Swain did. I know it all makes a lot more sense to me reading them here. This helped me with a block on my own r&r this week, so thank you!

I’m linking to it in my Thursday blogroll.

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Jami Gold May 9, 2012 at 10:32 pm

Hi Jessica,

Aww, thank you! I’m so glad I was able to help. Good luck on your r&r and thanks for the comment! 🙂

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Jae May 10, 2012 at 9:02 am

Excellent reminder on constructing scenes. I’d also never considered the difference between scenes and sequels. I enjoy reading posts like these, keeps things always in perspective. Thanks!

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Jami Gold May 10, 2012 at 9:21 am

Hi Jae,

Yes, it’s good to know and understand structure so we can analyze them for when we have problems or when we’re in revision/editing mode. But when I’m in drafting mode, I try not to overthink this kind of stuff. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!

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Julia Indigo May 13, 2012 at 8:41 am

I am so re-blogging this post, and saving it to study.
Thanks so much, Jami. It’s very clear and thought-provoking.

Now to look at the WIP, and see how it measures up!

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Jami Gold May 13, 2012 at 8:42 am

Hi Julia,

Yay! Love making people think. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!

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Melissa Sugar May 28, 2012 at 12:35 am

Awesome post with some really helpful and useful advice. I bookmarked it because I know I will need it again. Thanks for the great tips and for explaining the purpose of the scene and sequel in a way that is easy to understand. I agree that at first glance when you read, that in a sequel the protagonist does not have a goal , it throws you for a loop. I now have a better understanding of the reaction part of the sequel.

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Jami Gold May 28, 2012 at 11:57 pm

Hi Melissa,

Great! I’m happy to help. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!

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Helene Demetriades November 15, 2012 at 4:16 am

Dear Jami

Excellent atricle, very clear, structured and useful as I am effectively struggling those times with sequels in a novel I am writing. It is my frst novel, so far I only have published short stories and the challenges are totally different.
The plot of the novel seems to be right (to me), so does the synopsis but the sequels/scenes order is a hard one. I have to rethink the whole structure including the beginning and I don’t really know where to begin – hopefully such articles are extremely helpful. Congratulations.
Helene

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Jami Gold November 15, 2012 at 8:32 am

Hi Helene,

I understand. As I’ve been working on my NaNo project, I’ve noticed scenes can often be labeled action, reaction, or transition. Those transition scenes can be rough. Good luck and thanks for the comment!

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Tahmina February 13, 2013 at 8:36 am

Hi Jami, I was stuck on a scene this morning and this post was perfect to help me through it. Thanks for writing!

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Jami Gold February 13, 2013 at 9:00 am

Hi Tahmina,

Yay! Glad to hear it. I’m happy to help. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!

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Ronald May 7, 2013 at 4:04 pm

Hi, I’m new to scenes, and newer to sequels. I’m hoping you can help me. Do the scene and sequel occur in the same chapter or two different chapters? Must I mention the goal I’ve for a scene and a sequel in them, or do I just write with them in mind? Thanks.

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Jami Gold May 7, 2013 at 4:20 pm

Hi Ronald,

Great questions! Chapter breaks can be unrelated to scenes and sequels. Sometimes a chapter break will occur in the middle of a scene for a mini-cliffhanger, sometimes they’ll line up with a scene break. Depending on the style of a sequel, they might be “attached” to the scene (especially if they’re just a couple of sentences or a paragraph or two) in which case they’d probably occur in the same chapter. However other sequels might be longer–several pages–and they could very easily land in a different chapter.

As for whether goals need to be stated outright, usually not. But they should be apparent (at least subconsciously) to the reader. The more important the goal (or turning point triggering a change in the goal), the more obvious they should probably be.

If you think of stories you’ve read, you can probably get a feel for this. An example of an obvious goal statement would be when character thinks something along the lines of, “Man, if only I could xyz. Wait a minute, maybe I can.” Then the character proceeds to come up with a plan. 🙂

I hope that helps! Thanks for the comment!

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Bad Horse February 6, 2014 at 3:30 pm

The scene-sequel structure is a good default structure, but it’s most appropriate in action/thriller/genre novels. Right now I’m reading Carson McCullers’ /The Member of the Wedding/, and glancing through the first third of the book, there are few places with all the parts of this scene-sequel structure.

There are several reasons for this. First, stories have plenty of other types of Scenes (where a scene & sequel is one type of Scene). Consider the opening chapter to /Tess of the D’Urbevilles/, or most 19th-century novels, which has a length description of the town. This is currently out of style, but not bad writing. The first Scene of MOTW is a past-progressive tense summary of Frankie’s aimless actions that summer, embedded in a description of the setting.

Second, the story world doesn’t revolve as tightly around the POV character as this structure suggests. Each character in the story has enough psychological depth to need their own goals, reactions, etc. This structure, when used, should usually apply to every character present.

Third, in MOTW, the main character, Frankie, doesn’t know what she wants. This is common in literary fiction. She acts out in random ways.

Fourth, scenes in literary or realistic fiction often have a more subtle reversal at the end of a scene, or no reversal at all. The “reversal” may recontextualize the situation, making it apparent to the reader (but not the POV character) that the POV character has a mistaken assumption.

Fifth, decisions are often absent in literary fiction, where the characters are more likely to be carried along by forces beyond their control.

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Jami Gold February 6, 2014 at 4:40 pm

Hi Bad Horse,

You’re right that many guidelines fit some writing styles and genres better than others. Literary fiction has always been its own category. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!

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Gry Ranfelt March 11, 2014 at 12:35 pm

A scene can also be the character getting information which they then react on. That’s not a goal-oriented scene but still pretty important.
For instance in Battlestar Galactica when one of the MC’s is told that she’s now the president.

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Jami Gold March 11, 2014 at 1:08 pm

Hi Gry,

Good point! In my Scene Elements worksheet, a scene like that would advance the plot, add tension, and (probably) be a plot point. And in scenes like those, the character might start off with a minor goal (walk down the hall to some other place), be interrupted, and then end the scene with another/stronger goal (deal with new info).

That said, TV and movies can get away with things books can’t, so we’d want to keep things as active as possible. 🙂 Thanks for sharing that insight and thanks for the comment!

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Anthony David Mitchell August 28, 2014 at 11:02 pm

I have read Dwight Swain’s Techniques of the Selling Writer. It is by far the best book I have read on writing fiction and I have read several. His scene-sequel approach is pretty much breaking down what all successful storytellers do. The sequels are a bit confusing. I used to think it meant a whole other scene or had to be the length of a scene, but as outlined above, it can be one sentence or even a few words. Should there be a goal? Yes. When the character has no goals, the story is over. Hell, it can be over when they do have goals that go onto the next book or don’t really justify continuing the story. But Mr. Swain’s scene-sequel approach is exactly what he says it is in his book- a guide. A tool. Use it to better your writing. You don’t have to look at it as totally formulaic. Because formulas work for scientists(sometimes), not writers. We need to be more creative than that. And to end, I used his method on my latest manuscript and shaved off tons of hours of searching that I would have done otherwise. I highly recommend this book and personally feel Swain was a genius at teaching writers.

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Jami Gold August 28, 2014 at 11:07 pm

Hi Anthony,

Thanks for sharing your insights on the scene-sequel technique and Dwight Swain’s book! I agree with your take that these methods are all just tools to help us improve our writing. If any advice or tips make our writing worse, we shouldn’t use it. There are very few absolutes in the writing world. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!

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Lara McGill August 31, 2014 at 7:25 am

Jami, I know this is a couple of years past, but I was wondering – what happens when your protagonist isn’t in the scene. Do we just consider the main person in that scene the protagonist for just that scene, and act accordingly?

(I’ve got an unconscious heroine and an ex-fiancee/ex-magical working partner who felt her get shot and it knocked him out on stage in the middle of rehearsal.)

Thanks!

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Jami Gold August 31, 2014 at 8:32 am

Hi Lara,

Interesting scenario. 🙂 Okay, you’d want that scene to be more than just “moving the plot forward.” (Are you familiar with the Elements of a Scene worksheet? I’m thinking of what else that scene could do.) Other likely possibilities are increasing the tension and–I think this might answer your question–raises the stakes.

So for that scene, you’d want the main person (whoever’s point of view we’re in) of the scene to have a goal as you guessed. But overall story-wise, we’d want that scene itself to also have an effect on the rest of the story. For example, what happens in the scene (the POV character’s goal) might raise the stakes for the hero/heroine in the following scenes.

The reason I point out the need for multiple purposes is: a) we’d usually want our scenes to have multiple reasons for existing anyway, and b) with an unusual scene like this, we’d really want to make sure the scene should be there and that the story wouldn’t just skip forward to when the heroine woke up. Make sense?

I hope that helps. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!

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SK May 10, 2015 at 8:10 pm

Thanks Jami for wonderful post. A quick question is, do we use “Scene & Sequel” method in writing a screenplay for feature film?

Thanks
SK
Canada

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Jami Gold May 10, 2015 at 9:56 pm

Hi SK,

That’s a great question, and unfortunately, I don’t know the answer, as I’m not a screenwriter. However, if we think about the purpose of a sequel–to react to events and come up with the next move–it’s probably fair to say that all stories (in any medium) will use them to some extent.

But just as how at certain points of a story (or in certain genres) the sequel might be nothing more than a sentence or two, I’m sure that sequels can look somewhat different in movies too. For example, if the sequel “reaction” is only a facial expression, there might not be too much written into the screenplay itself.

But that’s just a guess, as like I said, I don’t know screenplays at all. 🙂 I hope you’re able to find an answer! Thanks for stopping by!

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Katja February 4, 2016 at 8:02 am

Hi Jami, I was wondering if you had any thoughts on scenes where a character has a simple goal that they DO achieve. I’ve been calling these ‘incidents’ as a sort of third option, but I feel like that’s copping out a bit. Do you have any thoughts on that?

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Jami Gold February 4, 2016 at 8:52 am

Hi Katja,

As I mentioned in the post (with the quote from Janice), a character can achieve their goal in a scene. However, we’d want to make sure there’s still story tension. That means we’d want to make sure the reader knew of a bigger, still-not-achieved goal or set up a new goal (maybe they need to do something with whatever they’d just acquired?) right away.

What will kill a story’s pacing is if the need to accomplish something–if the forward movement or momentum–stops. For example, an investigator might have just succeeded in tracking down evidence, but they’d still have the bigger goal in making their case for an arrest. Or they might have just succeeded in getting a statement from a witness, but now that statement brings up new complications they have to follow up with (like the new witness disagreed with other witnesses or the witness gave them a tip for someone else to interview).

In other words, whether a character achieves a goal or not, we want to make sure there’s always another goal (or goals) waiting in the wings. 🙂 So I don’t think we need to separate out those success scenes from failure scenes (unless that helps us think through what we need to write next in some way).

Let me know if that doesn’t make sense. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!

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