Story Tropes: Should We Avoid Them?

by Jami Gold on August 22, 2013

in Writing Stuff

Field of tulips in Holland with text: Are Story Tropes Always Cliches--and Bad?

Several months ago, I saw a fascinating Storify by Carina Press editor Angela James. I meant to do a post about the issue she brought up, but I often have more blog post ideas than time. With my recent articles about subtext, genre stories, formulaic writing, and my guest post at Paranormal Unbound about tropes in paranormal romance, now seems like a good time to revisit the idea.

Tropes—common themes or story devices—are often derided by people for being cliché or predictable. Many see them as lazy storytelling. I don’t disagree. Tropes can be all of those things.

However, tropes can also be shockingly true-to-life. In real life, if the light bulb burns out in the basement, we go down there to fix it, regardless of how many horror movies we seen. In real life, we might do mean things to get back at someone. In real life, we might even *gasp* fall in love at first sight.

Tropes Can Be Realistic? No Way!

“Love at first sight” is an example of a trope in romance novels. Romance novel fans are familiar enough with the common tropes to claim favorites (“I can’t resist an enemies-to-lovers story.”) and ones they avoid (“I can’t stand secret-baby stories.”).

Those tropes are often pointed to as reasons why romance novels are fantasy to be dismissed. But as I said above, tropes—even those in romance novels—are often more realistic than we assume.

Proving that point, Carina editor Angela James asked her Twitter followers what their real-life relationship trope was. She shared that her marriage is a “friends-to-lovers, accidental pregnancy leads to marriage (older “heroine” at 29 who should know better)” real-life trope.

The Storify she created with her followers’ answers is sweet and funny. Some of my favorite responses included:

I have a pal who met his wife via text. His 1st msg to her was intended for another, and off by a digit.
— Brian Shane (@bwshane) Original Tweet

Met on I-95. Him in car next me, made eyes at each other. Held up cell phone number to window. 15 yrs and 3 kids later…
— Jennifer Malone (@jenmalonewrites) Original Tweet

I wrote XFiles fanfiction, got a fan letter via email. Now together for 20, married for 13 years! Best fan letter EVAH! 😉
— Sheryl Nantus (@SherylNantus) Original Tweet

I had a crush on my 11th grade substitute math teacher. We started dating when he was no longer teaching. Married 18 years.
— Sharon Muha (@s_muha) Original Tweet

I was a brazen hussy and stole my hubby from my college roommate’s bff. 25 years and 2 kids later #IRLromance
— Deb Moran (@debkm) Original Tweet

Taken as a whole, the Storify is enlightening about how many tropes are common in real life, especially as most responses hit more than one trope (like the examples above, almost all of the responses were for current marriages):

  • High school/college sweethearts: 18 responses
  • Friends-to-lovers: 14 responses
  • Insta-love: 11 responses
  • Online romance: 10 responses
  • No-strings/one-night-stand: 9 responses
  • Blind date/set up: 9 responses
  • Reunion romance: 7 responses
  • Dating the boss/teacher: 6 responses
  • Enemies-to-lovers: 6 responses
  • Office romance: 4 responses
  • Brother’s best friend/best friend’s older brother: 4 responses
  • Bad-boy/tragic hero: 4 responses
  • Military hero: 4 responses
  • Secret crush: 4 responses
  • Rebound/second choice: 4 responses
  • Reluctant dating: 3 responses
  • Big age difference: 3 responses
  • Met at a wedding: 3 responses
  • Accidental pregnancy: 3 responses
  • Virgin hero: 1 response
  • Met at band camp: 1 response
  • Mistaken identity: 1 response
  • Marriage of convenience: 1 response
  • Stole someone’s boyfriend: 1 response

Some of the tropes often dismissed as the most unrealistic or cliché (insta-love, one-night-stand leads to marriage, dating the boss, enemies-to-lovers, “taming” the bad boy) are, in fact, surprisingly common. And even some of the most roll-our-eyes tropes (accidental pregnancy, mistaken identity, marriage of convenience) happened to someone Angela knew. If we asked our friends, we’d probably find similar stories.

How Tropes Can Benefit Our Stories

There’s a saying about stereotypes: Stereotypes became stereotypes because there’s an element of truth to them. Not all stereotypes fit that saying, but some do. I’d put tropes into a similar category.

We see common tropes in stories because we relate to many of them. We relate to them because we’ve lived through them, either directly or through friends. In other words, they can be realistic.

Which is the worse “crime” in storytelling? Is it bad if we include a trope that readers can relate to—even though some call it cliché? Or should we avoid including a single trope in our stories—even if that makes our stories less relatable (and less realistic)?

If our goal is to create a story that sucks readers in and doesn’t let them go, the sweet spot might be somewhere in the middle. We need unique stories that rise above formula and dig beyond the predictable, but we also need a touch of normality to give our readers an anchor into our story’s world. Tropes can provide a common ground from which readers will be more comfortable exploring the new and different.

If we try to eliminate all tropes, in addition to making it harder for readers to relate to the story or characters, we might even do our stories a disservice. We might accidentally create a character without flaws (“Oh, we can’t write that—it’s too cliché.”). Or we might write a too-convoluted story or over-the-top characters in our attempt to avoid the normal (i.e., clichéd) plot flow and character reactions.

Maybe our goal should instead be to include only story tropes that help the reader relate to the story. Story tropes that make the characters and/or story more relatable to the reader are a good thing. Their subtext taps into our subconscious and allows us to experience the story on a deeper level.

We see the characters and we see ourselves.
We see the story and we see our life.

So long as our story is unique in other ways, story tropes—used well—can provide a connection to the reader difficult to achieve by other means. That’s not lazy writing; that’s good storytelling. *smile*

Should we always avoid story tropes? Or do you think they can sometimes be a good thing? In what ways could they be helpful? Do you have a favorite or least favorite story trope? Could an aspect of your life be described with a real-life trope (romance or other type)?

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Carradee August 22, 2013 at 6:22 am

A Fistful of Fire has been called by one reviewer “the most different fantasy story I’ve ever read”. Folks often call it odd. It’s currently getting a few hundred reads a day on Wattpad.

But I originally came up with A Fistful of Fire by looking at a tropes list.

It was perhaps a decade ago, and I’ve long since lost the link—actually, I believe the site was taken down—but I found a list of clichés in fantasy and decided to see how many I could pull together and tweak or thumb my nose at.

Part elf MC? Check—but she’s a klutz. MC’s actually of royal birth and heir to a prophecy? Check—but she and everybody that matters already knows it. Distrust of royalty? Check—in a way that ended up particularly twisted due to the entire she is royalty thing. Prince falls for the FMC though her station means he shouldn’t? Check—and actually, things line up so they have to marry. Magical godmother? Check—but she’s insanely protective to the point of homicide and is quite…odd in what she’ll choose to interfere with.

And I could keep going. Even the POV—first person, present tense—was originally selected due to the fantasy standard being third person, past tense.

But I took those things and figured out a story wherein those things all fit. If something didn’t fit, I tossed it or figured out how to change the trope so it could.

The geology and climate have more in common with Kentucky than with anything European, but that’s not obvious from the get-go. The world seems medieval—that’s what shows in the books—but eventually it’ll come out that things like firearms and such actually have been invented. There are just a myriad of reasons that they haven’t been popularized yet.

(I’m looking forward to writing the book wherein that comes out—part of the reason is that all human magic affinities have combat uses, and all people are capable of using magic, making firearms superfluous. Elves, whose magic essentially has no combat applications, must rely more on politics and technology—which isn’t all that bad, because their magic affinities and natural hardiness can make them good spies.)

Whereas another series, not nearly as popular sales-wise, was less intentionally founded on tropes, blending the high school paranormal and urban fantasy genres, but it still intentionally twists them. (Example: A vampire has a crush on the narrator, but it creeps her out…though not for the reason you’d expect.) Nonetheless my primary beta reader calls it more cliché, less original. (I’m considering posting that story on Wattpad. We’ll see what happens if I do.)


Carradee August 22, 2013 at 7:20 am

*sighs* Sorry for forgetting transitions—again—but the short version is that yes, I do think story tropes can be used well, though if you use them—and how you use them—should be affected by your target audience.

The romance trope of attraction despite unequal power balance intrigues me, for some reason. Not sure why. I tend to hate love triangles, though I think that has more to do with them usually feeling more forced on the story than organic to the story, because I actually enjoy them when the relationships feel natural.

As for something in my life that comes from a trope… I don’t know.


Jami Gold August 22, 2013 at 7:40 am

Hi Carradee,

Very true about how target audiences can change interpretations of the writing. I read a review of a romance novel that had tweaked many of the tropes–but the review was written by a non-romance reader. The reviewer–not understanding the “thumbing its nose at expectations” aspect of the story–found it very boring and pedestrian, and commenters picked on the reviewer for not seeing the big picture. (In the reviewers defense, I thought the story itself sounded boring too, but I don’t enjoy all romance subgenres equally. 🙂 )

Ooo, yes, I love conflicts from (perceived) power imbalances. My current WIP has several scenes of straight-up power negotiation between the couple. Very fun! 🙂

I’ve said before that I’m less of a fan of romance triangles. Like you, I want them to feel organic to the story, which for me usually means that I have to understand what makes both options equally appealing so there’s a question at all. Thanks for the great comment!


Jami Gold August 22, 2013 at 7:27 am

Hi Carradee,

OMGosh! I can’t tell you how much I love what you did and the way you tweaked the expected. LOL!

For anyone who wants to do something similar, I’d suggest Googling “genre tropes.” Wikipedia has trope lists, and of course the site TV Tropes is all about tropes (of all media). 🙂 Thanks so much for sharing!


Carradee August 22, 2013 at 8:26 am

*grin* Thanks.

Part of the fun in the weapons reveal is going to be the characters involved in it. Because their situation is comedic. Sad, but comedic. And it should have a happy ending.


Jami Gold August 22, 2013 at 9:10 am

Hi Carradee,

Ha! Yes, the “happy(-ish) ending” trope is one I won’t compromise on. LOL! Thanks for the comment!


Krysta August 22, 2013 at 8:02 am

I highly doubt that there is a way to avoid tropes when writing a story. A trope subverted could still be a trope. I find the most interesting stories I read are the ones that take a trope and adds a new element of originality to it.

For romantic plots/subplots, I like love-triangles (aka something like Team Bob vs. Team Joe), but it is hard to find good stories since there are so many novels about it. (Particularly with the emergence of Twilight, and other similar novels that followed Twilight.) So when that particular trope was well-written, it makes the story more precious to me.


Jami Gold August 22, 2013 at 8:23 am

Hi Krysta,

Very true! I can’t imagine how a story without a single trope would function. But as you said, as long as it’s tweaked in some way to be fresh, tropes work just fine.

Good point about how some tropes become so common it’s hard to find a unique take on the story. Many say that vampires in paranormal romance have reached that point. There are still a few not-completely-derivative vampire stories out there, which as you said, makes them precious. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!


Sondrae Bennett August 22, 2013 at 8:53 am

Really great article. I found the text responses fascinating. While writing, I don’t think anyone should be discouraged to use a trope if that’s what the story needs, or feel like they have to. If the writer stays true to the story, they’ll have a great book in the end.


Jami Gold August 22, 2013 at 9:12 am

Hi Sondrae,

Exactly! If the story and/or characters want to go in that direction (and it is the right direction for the big picture), we can hurt the story by bending over backwards to avoid it. Thanks for the comment! 🙂


Kim Barton August 22, 2013 at 9:17 am

What about the Hero’s Journey as a trope? I see it everywhere, and it works most of the time, even after thousands of years!

We don’t criticize musicians for using the same structure for songs, or playing the same chords, or writing about the same topics. They understand that there are only so many ways to create a rock or country or electronica song. People expect a certain amount of familiarity.

Couldn’t experimental literature also be considered a trope? What happens when an author deliberately plays with language or the structure of a novel? I think that is cliche.

I don’t see how you can get around using a trope, especially if you are writing in a specific genre, like romance. How many different ways are there to meet someone and fall in love? My own life story would be considered cliche.

If you can add some extra twists or something different, that helps to make it go down easier. I think if you have a well constructed story and likable and believable characters, then it doesn’t matter if the base is a trope.

The original Star Wars movies followed the Hero’s Journey so perfectly it was like Lucas was following a script. But he added the space stuff and the bit about the Force, and that made for a wonderful and very well-loved story! (I’m talking only about the original trilogy, not the prequels).


Jami Gold August 22, 2013 at 9:26 am

Hi Kim,

Very true! As I was writing this post, I wondered where the line fell between story trope and story premise. We know story premise can be defined as being story-wide and big picture, but some tropes can fit that definition too. I left that aspect out because I couldn’t think of an easy way to delineate between the two. 🙂

LOL! at about the original trilogy. Yep, I’m right there with you. 😉 Thanks for the comment!


Marcy Kennedy August 22, 2013 at 12:13 pm

Yet another excellent post. I couldn’t agree more. Tropes aren’t always bad. Whether they’re good or bad comes from how we use them.

And most of my friends could fit into one trope or another with their romances. My husband and I were an online romance. One friend married her high school music teacher (who was 17 years older). Another friend hated her husband when they first met, but they always ended up stuck next to each other at events. And the list could go on 🙂


Jami Gold August 22, 2013 at 12:22 pm

Hi Marcy,

Great examples! Thanks for sharing! Off the top of my head, I can think of (for myself and others I know): dating the boss, office romance, rebound, reluctant dating, high school sweethearts, college sweethearts, insta-love, and accidental pregnancy. 🙂

And yes, as with so many things in writing, it’s not about this rule or that being “bad.” It’s all about understanding the storytelling purpose behind the rule or advice so we know when it makes sense to ignore it. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!


Amanda August 22, 2013 at 12:20 pm

As romance writers, we kind of have to use tropes. That’s the bread and butter of the genre! My personal favorite is friends to lovers – there’s so much potential drama and angst in there, thus no reason to resort to the dreaded love triangle! (Did I mention I hate love triangles? I LOATHE them. LOATHE, I tell you.)

I think tropes have become so ingrained in fiction in general that you can’t avoid them. You can dress them up, strip them naked, flip them inside out and upside down, but when you get down to brass tacks, it’s still a trope. I think the trick these days is to take a trope and find a way to make it SEEM like you’ve never come across it before. I’ve been playing around with the marriage of convenience trope in two recent stories and so far it’s been a lot of fun. My hope is my take on it is something an editor hasn’t seen before…and that the readers will agree!

And I think you find tropes (or common themes, if you don’t want to call it a trope) in all types of fiction. Mysteries/thrillers have their tropes, sci-fi/fantasy certainly do, and yes, even literary fiction has certain themes. It’s kind of like Hollywood: all the stories have been told before. Now we just have to find new ways to tell the same story.

So, yeah, there ain’t no getting away from them!


Jami Gold August 22, 2013 at 12:33 pm

Hi Amanda,

Exactly! The basic “boy meets girl” premise is a trope in some respects, and that’s probably at least 90% of romance stories right there. 🙂

LOL! Yes, I’m not fond of most love triangles, but I’ve seen a handful done well enough that I haven’t sworn them off. On the other hand, I loathe jealousy as a plot point. LOATHE. Jealousy is the ugly side of angst as far as I’m concerned. 🙂

Ooo, fun! I like well-done marriage of convenience stories. My current WIP isn’t quite a marriage of convenience, but it has that “forced to function as a couple by circumstances” element.

You’re absolutely right about how tropes exist in every form of art and media. I just tweeted a link to a post on Tor about film-making tropes. The comments are even better than the article at pointing out how many things we take for granted in movies. But the commenters also point out that they’re used as shortcuts so the insignificant details don’t have to be shown. In other words, they help draw the readers into the story–the same point I made here about books. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!


Addy Rae August 23, 2013 at 12:25 am

Tropes can be done really well or really sloppily, but when they’re done well it’s so easy to relate to the characters!

I hadn’t realized there were so many specific tropes for Romance. (I don’t read it heavily, mostly because I feel guilty when I have such an awesome guy to be reading about other guys.) I’m poking at my current WIPs to see what tropes I can find in them. 🙂


Jami Gold August 23, 2013 at 9:23 am

Hi Addy,

LOL! about feeling guilty. Don’t! 😀

I read and love romance for the romanticism of it. I enjoy watching and vicariously experiencing the “falling in love” process. I don’t fall in love with my male characters or with the heroes of other romances. I want to see the heroes as being perfect for the heroines, not perfect for me. 🙂

I’m sure some romance authors/readers write/read it for other reasons, but from what I’ve heard, my attitude is more common. (That’s why most romance authors are happily married. They’re not writing to “fill a gap” in their real life.)

Anyway… LOL! I suspect every genre would have a similarly long list of tropes. How many mysteries start with a dead body? How many thrillers have a ticking clock…with red and blue wires…in a place where the characters can’t see the colors? Hee. There’s a whole internet list of ways the bad guys typically mess up, and every one of them is a trope: “…gloat over my enemies’ predicament before killing them.”

Tropes can be a lot of fun when used well. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!


Laura Pauling August 23, 2013 at 5:54 pm

There are certain tropes that suck me in all the time. And if it’s written well, then I’ll read it every time! 🙂 Usually, life is stranger than fiction, even unbelievable at times and full of coincidence but somehow there can be no such thing in fiction. 🙂


Jami Gold August 23, 2013 at 6:13 pm

Hi Laura,

Yes, there are some tropes I’m a sucker for. LOL! And so true that life is stranger than fiction sometimes. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!


Anne R. Allen August 23, 2013 at 10:24 pm

Lots of wisdom here, Jami. There’s a reason we like the old stories. After all, Homer and Virgil both told pretty much the same story about some guy bopping around the Mediterranean after the Trojan War. But somehow those stories still have legs… There’s a reason things become cliches. Because real life is full of them.


Jami Gold August 24, 2013 at 12:01 am

Hi Anne,

Exactly! If we couldn’t relate to cliches, we wouldn’t keep using them. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!


Taurean Watkins August 25, 2013 at 2:47 am

True, but I think this is harder to deal with when you’re a writer versus a lay reader, writers need to look at this in ways lay readers don’t, and that’s why there can be this wall of perceptions between authors and lay readers.

At least that’s been my experience as a pre-writer reader, and now a soon-t0-be-published author who’s working hard on edits for my debut.


Jami Gold August 25, 2013 at 8:59 am

Hi Taurean,

Oh, no doubt! Many writers often bemoan the fact that learning the necessary skills for the craft breaks that wall of perception, which can make it difficult to experience the pure enjoyment of reading anymore. We have a hard time turning off our writer-analyzing thoughts. So I don’t wish that readers would “understand” because that might discourage reading. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!


Taurean Watkins August 25, 2013 at 10:57 am

Well, I kind of wish lay readers understood A LITTLE of what we writers go through, so they can get we’re still human as they are, and that not all issues about a book are solely the author’s fault/in their control. (Misleading book covers, for example)

If readers overall are more forgiving than are more critical peers, that empathy would be appreciated, you can not like a book without having to demonize the author.

I wasn’t into Twilight, but I don’t feel the need to witch about S. Meyer, either, and I don’t belittle people who read and liked it. Besides, anyone who feels similar agony about query letters as me can’t be all bad in my book.

Is there not a fair point to make, Jami?


Jami Gold August 26, 2013 at 9:28 am

Hi Taurean,

LOL! Oh yes, very true! It would be nice if readers understood enough to not yell at a traditionally published author about price, book cover, where (stores/countries) they can purchase the book, etc. 🙂

I also completely agree with you about the need for disagreement without demonizing. (And we can say that as a society about so many things.) *sigh* Thanks for the comment!


Taurean Watkins August 25, 2013 at 2:33 am

I have mixed feelings on this, particularly because my beta-readers highly despise various tropes and cliches, especially where girls/women are concerned, even if I TRIED to be clever with them…But that’s another topic.

Personally, I am tired of the “Psycho Perv” trope, cliche, whatever you call it.

We’re never going to make any headway on a more balanced view of mental illness if this is the SOLE defining persona in fiction or nonfiction, we NEED new blood and voices on this topic, especially in fiction. If I were a braver writer and could write YA, I’d write the book myself, and this is a book I’d self-publish if I had to, just to get a different side of the story out there, it would not be about the money for me.

At least with some nonfiction, we’re starting to see that not all people with mental illness are killers and psycho pervs, but people who just want what most people want, a decent, whole life. We have the same dreams, fears, and needs as anyone else, but we lack in areas, but it doesn’t make us less human, IMHO.

Is it not possible to have a mentally ill character who has a moral compass, still flawed and makes mistakes, but aren’t serial killers or rapists?

Like gender stereotyping, this imbalanced view of mentally ill characters in fiction especially is really worrying to me, I just want to see more variety.

Not every person with a mental illness is like what’s predominately marginalized in media now, and I’m not saying they sadly don’t exist, but it’s NOT reflective of us all.

The stigma is worse than AIDS and cancer in general used to have.

Jami, I know you know that.

But I’m speaking generally, as someone who has my own mental illness and lived with a parent who has a mental illness far worse than mine, that I wish we could have other POVs on the subject.

It might be why I avoid a lot of popular novels or films because of this biased views of mental illness, whether it’s ignorance or divisive on the part of the author(s) or filmmaker(s) involved.

While part of me wants to read “Silence of the Lambs” (Never mind the fact that when I was a kid (When I took titles more literal than now), I thought given the title it was the lamb version of the animated film “Chicken Run” by Nick Park [The Wallace and Gromit guy, love them!] about sheep rustlers who murdered their sheep for meat after getting wool from them…) when I learned it’s really about this woman and the often-idealized Hannibal Lector, I get this hard feeling in my stomach.

When I say “idealized” I mean this character is often held up as the standard for “perfectly flawed” characters worth reading about.


Jami Gold August 25, 2013 at 8:53 am

Hi Taurean,

Great point! Many people are going to be pickier about negative tropes/stereotypes. Tropes that make people look bad too often have their basis in racist or sexist (or other -ist) grounds. Authors who fall back on those not only look lazy but whatever -ist their trope depended on.

You’re also right to point out that showing diversity in our characters should go beyond just a simple gender or skin color issue. Diversity can also encompass mental illness, sexual orientation, physical disabilities, culture or class, etc. I’m by no means perfect in this regard, but I do try to include nuances.

I haven’t read Silence of the Lambs (it seemed a bit too close to horror for me), so I’m not sure how the character is portrayed. But you’re right that fans of the book seem to hold the character on an odd pedestal. Thanks for the insightful comment!


Taurean Watkins August 25, 2013 at 10:21 am

Thanks for replying, Jami.

I hope I didn’t sound too biting. I waited a bit before replying knowing this is, but I did want to speak to it.

I haven’t read “Silence of the Lambs” either, but inevitably the book (And Lector) comes up in conversation on writer forums, especially when there’s talk about making characters flawed, and thus realistic, and from what I hear of those who’ve read it.

I kind of feel I need to read it at some point. If only so I don’t sound like a hypocrite. But I have read many a book and seen many a film or television program where the “Psycho Perv” character is used to portray what being mentally ill is like, and again, I get there are people like this, I just want more people at large to realize most of us aren’t of that mold.

I often dismiss my when I get in fixes, just because I don’t want people to think I use it as an excuse to be rude to people, like my mother does, but sometimes I’m just angry or upset, mental illness or not.

It’s still hard for me to talk about it in person. I feel like I’ll either get treated like someone you have to walk on eggshells around.

Or that every time I get mad or sad that signals the “Maybe you should take meds” look/response.

That’s why I also hate those jokes about taking meds. It’s no less serious if you need them than people doing chemo for cancer treatment. I find that’s very cruel and dangerous if left unchecked. I once heard that kids are now being bullied for having food allergies. What do you think happens if a kid who’s allergic to peanuts or whatever stops carrying around whatever medicine they need or eats something they’re DEADLY allergic to just to make the teasing stop? They can die. That’s already happened one too many times already this year.

I also think there’s a gender bias even here. More men are depicted as mentally ill, and the few women in books and other media are still considered human for the most part, but the men have to be insane beyond doubt, and it makes me so mad sometimes.

Sorry for rambling today, but I am doing okay, just had to speak to this particular trope.


Jami Gold August 26, 2013 at 9:17 am

Hi Taurean,

I understand why you’re reluctant to address this topic in person. Related to the excuse/meds issue, I’ve also seen people feel like they can use the “label” they put on others to dismiss them and their feelings. (“Oh, they’re not really upset about that–that’s just the X talking.”) Almost all women have the experience at some point in their lives in regards to PMS, and I can’t imagine haven’t to face an even deeper dismissal all the time in the case of mental illness.

I agree that the depictions of mental illness in books can have a gender bias. The mentally ill female characters I can think of typically are portrayed as being sympathetic in some way, or they’re well-rounded and have other “good” traits. They seem more forgivable and understandable. In contrast, the mentally ill male characters I can think of more often seem to be shown from a flat, black-and-white perspective, and are more often seen as “evil.” (The story of mine you know about breaks this mold.) Yay for nuances! 🙂 Thanks for the comment!


Serena Yung August 25, 2013 at 12:50 pm

I love those exact post counts you put up there for the various tropes. 😀 Now that’s concrete evidence for those people who think that cliches are unrealistic.

Hmm, I used to like evading as many cliches as possible, but later I thought that that was too forced, and that real life was full of cliches anyway, so there was no point in torturing yourself over it. (As you’ve said, deliberately trying something non-cliche may make it unnecessarily complex instead.) So now, rather than intentionally avoiding cliches, I 1) think about what my characters do, rather than what I want to make them do, i.e. let the characters’ relationships develop in whichever way they want (I have no control over their stories); and 2) Instead of trying to dodge all cliches, I find it helpful to rejoice when you use a cliche that you personally like. For instance, the “similar interests attract” trope is a favorite of mine, and thus I was happy when one of my male main characters, who is a physics geek, falls in love with a girl who is as into physics as he is! (This also underscores a personal belief–I think the best couples share at least one big similar interest or even passion.)

Now I’m really not bothered anymore if my story slips into a cliche, as long as it’s a cliche that I like, and doesn’t sound dumb, boring, or what’s worst—phony or out-of-character. I think I’ve talked to you about this before, that I think it’s more important to stay in-character than to try hard to be original.


Jami Gold August 26, 2013 at 9:53 am

Hi Serna,

Exactly! 🙂 I approach drafting with the attitude of listening rather than telling. 🙂

I figure revisions are the right time to make sure the trope works, as far as fitting/helping the character and the story, finding a way to make it as non-cliche as possible (or to dig deeper emotionally or something), etc. Until then, my job is to listen and keep the writing in-character. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!


Taurean Watkins August 28, 2013 at 9:41 am


I can get where you’re coming from.

But at least for me, just because I do what my characters want, doesn’t mean it’s engaging for the reader, and while you are spared this concern since you don’t write for the reasons I do, I HAVE to face the discrepancy that will occur between what my characters want to do and what potential readers will believe.

Trust me, those two things aren’t always instantly harmonious, to put it as positively as I can without lying.

In one of my novels in progress someone’s helping me work through, your style of drafting has not served me well, but I respect the merit behind it, it’s just that there’s more to it for me.

That said, sometimes forcing oneself to forge ahead is the difference between drafting and not drafting for that day.


Jami Gold August 28, 2013 at 10:32 am

Hi Taurean,

I understand. And that’s why I believe so strongly that there is no “one right method” for everyone. The most we should let others influence us is the openness to try other methods to see if they work, and if they don’t? We move on, guilt-free. 🙂 Thanks for the comment!


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